Johnson's 417 career wins are second only to Cy Young, and he still owns an untouched record of 110 shutout games. I didn't know then that he was smart and had the heart of a lion, but I knew that I was looking at an arm the likes of which you see only once in a lifetime.". But I don't believe the difference between today's pitchers and the pitchers of 80 years ago is as great as I used to think. It has to do with the reference point. Now it's 98.6 mph, though he did regain half a tick from his nadir in 2019 and 2020. The average college fastball is estimated to be between 85 and 95 mph. In later years, his fastball declined to the 96 mph (154 km/h) range and his slider clocked at around 87 mph (140 km/h). Show #2-10. 39 mph. The speed of pitches depends greatly on the type of pitch that's thrown. That pitch was measured when the ball was 10 feet in front of home plate, according to Rivard and Sports Illustrated, which means after a small calculations adjustment that Ryan's fastball was closer to a 108 MPH pitch. Johnson dubbed his slider "Mr. Snappy". A swing of 47.9 mph produces a baseball speed of 91.4 mph. Last year he got the AA record can't remember the exact # but it was well over 100. ), Gonna follow you and I believe you'll enjoy my hubs, also (even though HubPages will award a POPULAR ACCOLADE and after a year not list it for some bizarre reason. Power numbers were noticeably down, making the eye-opening numbers of the steroid-enhanced decades following look even gaudier. I suppose it's fair to include relievers, but I think the starters who had to pace themselves for a whole game deserve the lion's share of credit. Pitchers in the Little League World Series throw fastballs 60-70+ mph. They must really be scraping the bottom of the barrel! In contrast, the speeds of a change-up pitch and a slider were about 70 to 85 mph. 13 and 14 Year Olds. The Houston media said J.R. was just moody, and they even went so far as to say he was jealous of Nolan Ryan, who'd become the first pro athlete to make $1,000,000 per year that season. It wasnt Chuck Yeager breaking the sound barrier, but it was significant. Nithya Venkat from Dubai on March 02, 2013: An interesting read, great write. Wesman Todd Shaw (author) from Kaufman, Texas on April 28, 2013: Statistical joy in Baseball! He struck out more than 300 batters in a season on two occasions and in 1979 he led the National League with the lowest earned run average. Feller demanded to see the front line. Total Zone Rating and initial framework for Wins above Replacement calculations provided by Sean Smith. And a tragic end. Go Reds!! Voted up. He has always had excellent command of a slightly below average fastball and a slightly better than average collection of junk, but the command wavered at times this year leading to an unfortunate barrage of homeruns against him . MLB has gone back and recalibrated Pitch/FX pitches to convert them to their velocity at pitch release. but a cricket ball, at five and a half ounces, and hard as a stone (give or take the leather skin), is not something to stop with your body! There is just too much to say and mention, so please accept my apologies for the players you feel were unfairly omitted. He has been playing sports his whole life and loves to talk about them. There are two complete telecast games of him pitching in the 1965 world series. Walter Perry Johnson (November 6, 1887 December 10, 1946), was never recorded throwing a baseball at 100 mph or more. But then again throwing is mainly a talent thing and is not supposed to be improved by modern training very much. I remember Bob Feller as a young kid when he was in the twilight of his career with the Indians. Some defensive statistics Copyright Sports Info Solutions, 2010-2023. Or the Bottom? More impressive is his record of seven no-hitters. Jools Hogg from North-East UK on March 02, 2013: Great hub! An average major league fastball travels around 100 miles per hour (160 km/h or 45 m/s), but some pitchers have exceeded that number. If the average is high, the temperature is high; if the average is low, the temperature is low. They each pitched at least one inning at 100 mph or faster. In his second to last career game as a starter, he was throwing fastballs at 96 miles per hour past bewildered men more than 20 years his junior. His slider was 96mph! A table displaying leaders in Statcast metrics such as Sweet Spot % (SwSp%), Barrels, Exit Velocity (EV), Batted Ball Distance (DST), Projected Home Run Distance (HR-DST), Launch Angle (LA) and Batted Ball Events (BBE) . The man who'd been sent to scout Feller had the following to say, "This was a kid pitcher I had to get. Voted up and sharing with followers and on Facebook. In the 1980s, players hit 40 home runs just 13 timesthe lowest of any decade since Babe Ruth revolutionized the game. Relief pitching is now a field all its own. Back then, no one could touch 100 mph. Sanjay Sharma from Mandi (HP) India on June 27, 2018: Thanks for sharing the catalog of great masters. Wow! Anything less than 72 is very slow, shouldn't be pitching. In a 1992 game, Johnson started against Ryan and the Texas Rangers and he got 18 strikeouts, winning the game. He lived and played in a time when instruments for measuring a baseball's speed didn't exist. According to University of Illinois physicist Dr. Alan Nathan, a pitch that leaves a pitchers hand at 100 mph will (at sea level) slow down by 9 to 10% by the time it crosses the plate some 55-58 feet later. The 1980 season started well for Richard and he had Nolan Ryan on the team with himproviding the Houston Astros with the two most powerful right-handed flame throwers in all of baseball. In addition, he finished third three times. The season starts in the spring and brings with it all the joy of the new year with new heroes, GOATs, and loads of terrific stories. A good changeup for a high school pitcher should drop from -10 to -15 mph, so anything from 60-75 mph is considered acceptable. 100-mph fastballs have been attributed to many pitchers. As speed is not among his talents, a move to 1st or DH is likely in the near future. His final start at home was on Sept.12th. I really do gotta' stop :-P. Hi Wesman - I guess you're not a cricket man, but for a long time the fastest ever cricket bowler was a Wes- Wes Hall (Wesley) of the West Indies, credited with 105 mph deliveries. Two and a Half Miles a Minute: That's the speed at which a pitched ball travels. A. The top speed is 90 miles per hour. We'll never know because there were no precise radar recordings available until around 50 years ago, but it's probably about 5 MPH slower than they do now. Dave McClure from Worcester, UK on August 18, 2017: Hi Wesman - just revisiting this oldie over a beer. On June 25, he was sent to Methodist Hospital in Houston, and despite obstructions in his arteries, it was determined that no surgery was needed. No-hitter the latest feat in James Paxton's rise, Deal ends Matt Harvey's roller-coaster ride with Mets, Sizing up potential trade fits for Manny Machado, Real or Not? http://ugoprobaseball.com/discount/ My Pitching Programhttp://www.maddenbaseball.com Join the Free NewsletterHere's a video I made on the average pitching . He did have a long minor league careera career in which he terrified people with pitches rumored to average 104 miles per hour. Thus making this document worthy enough for display in our museum. Chapman's speed came in only one game during his career. So how hard do these guys throw? The Reds and Lou Piniella were pioneers of this trend with the Nasty Boys, especially the hard-throwing Rob Dibble. Hamel's changeup and slider both flashed above average at times, and their respective shapes were advanced. Facing Nolan Ryan's Fastball New PitchingNinja "Documentary" ? When it comes to softball, speed is everything. He would win a racial discrimination lawsuit against the Houston Astros worth a huge sum of money, but he'd wind up homeless and living under a bridge just the same. We got rid of some dead weight in the off season and picked up a good lead off hitter and Chapman might be starting this year which has been the plan all along. A modern radar gun measures the pitch either out of the hand or ten feet away from the pitcher, depending on the gunmost measurements all the way up to the 1980's would measure a pitcher about 60 feet from his hand (although I believe Walter Johnson was clocked 25 or 30 feet away from his hand). Waddell struck out 349 players in 1903(?) Wesman Todd Shaw (author) from Kaufman, Texas on March 26, 2019: Thanks wpcooper! Some little known or unknown ones, include the Forgotten Joe Black, Jackie Robinson's roommate, throwing 102.2 mph in 1953, and Bob Turley possibly throwing 103 mph in 1954. Later when he came to the Texas Rangers I got to see him pitch in person at the old Arlington stadium a few times. Wow that fast! average fastball speed 1990s . Walter Johnson was reportedly measured at 99.7 MPH at the Army's Aberdeen Proving Grounds, where they could measure the speed of bullets. Great read here, and I enjoyed it immensely. Current world-class pitchers such as Mark Buehrle, Roy Halladay, Cliff Lee, Josh Beckett, and Jake Peavy can reach back and toss a pitch 100 mph. So how good was Nolan Ryan? It was the first time in MLB history a regular starting pitcher averaged over one strikeout per inning. How good was Bob Feller? An 85 mph fastball (if registered by a Speedgun at the plate) would be roughly 93 mph if measured by Statcast out of the pitchers hand. Average Pitching Velocity. Great article! They wait to air it out and they don't have to worry about their arms so much since they're not looking at nine innings, just one or two. It measured velocity closer to the pitchers release point than the JUGS gun, so the JUGS flipped to being the slow gun. No one but Nolan played that many seasonsno one. It wasn't exactly Chuck Yeager breaking the sound barrier, but it was a remarkable achievement. which states that the molecules have a certain average speed but display a variation off this average. All except below are based on radar readings by the editor. A split-finger fastball or splitter is an off-speed pitch in baseball that looks to the batter like a fastball until it drops suddenly. Answer: There probably is one, but you would likely need to dig through at least the first 3 pages of Google's search results to find the most comprehensive one. That damned Josh Hamilton is likely to hit 50 home runs this year! For decades, comparing pitch velocities has often been an apples-and-oranges discussion. He appeared on the cover of Sports Illustrated magazine on May 30, 1955. I saw Ryan start many times and witnessed him pitching at age 46. That game is on Youtube. His pitch speed was 108.1 miles per hour. Fastball use held steady from 2010 through 2015 at between 56.8% and 57.8%. Robert William Andrew Feller (November 3, 1918 December 15, 2010), was the first flame-throwing pitcher to have modern equipment measure his fastball's velocity. It's that simple. If only because most of the film I've seen of pitchers from that era just don't suggest that much effort was being expended. A swing of 47.9 mph produces a baseball speed of 91.4 mph. A typical fastball from this age group is anywhere from 55 mph (on the low side) to 75 mph. 100-mph fastballs have been attributed to many pitchers. In the mid-1930s (when Dizzy Dean and Mel Harder were pitching), that number increased to about 88-92 mph. How fast did pitchers throw in the 1930s? Not all these men are truly baseball greats. The desire to create additional bat speed can create tightness which results in slower bat speed and less control of the bat. League Year-By-Year Pitching--Averages Table; Year Tms #P PAge R/G ERA G GF CG SHO tSho SV IP H R ER HR BB IBB SO HBP BK WP BF WHIP BAbip H9 HR9 BB9 SO9 SO/W E; 2022: 30: 871: 28.8: 4.28 HubPages is a registered trademark of The Arena Platform, Inc. Other product and company names shown may be trademarks of their respective owners. I'm not sure the weight of a baseball? Mr Archer from Missouri on February 02, 2016: Ryan was, and still is, my favorite player. known pitch speed tests from 1912 through 1974, http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthocking-intents, http://www.baseball-fever.com/showth-They-Do-Today, If this is your first visit, be sure to You would have to know the speed of every pitcher in high school baseball to get the average. I remember Cliff Johnson getting into fight with Goose because his catching hand was so damaged by Goose's heater. What device? Some high school data is courtesy David McWater. Wesman Todd Shaw (author) from Kaufman, Texas on March 30, 2014: Not sure I agree entirely, Mark. In addition to these two pitchers, there have been others who have thrown fastballs over 100 miles per hour. He even graced the cover of Time magazine. In the last eight years, the league-average fastball has risen about 1 mile per hour. The Reds selected him second overall in the 2017 MLB Draft.. Born in Los Angeles, California, Greene learned how to pitch at the Major League Baseball Urban Youth Academy in Compton.His fastball velocity was already 93 mph (150 . His statistics, however, indicate that his pitches very likely reached those speeds. Wesman Todd Shaw (author) from Kaufman, Texas on May 31, 2014: He was an amazing sample of a human in regards to the physical, that's for sure. love of baseball and the passion that you. 105.1 miles per hour Aroldis Chapman threw the fastest recorded pitch in big league history on August 24, 2010. Greatest pro athlete ever? What was your opinion of Rube Waddell's pitching speed? Johnson faced all the early legends of the sport. A Harley Davidson motorcycle was used as a speedometer; it was given a 10-foot head start and sped at 86 mph. Aroldis Chapman, a former Cincinnati Reds pitcher, set the Guinness World Record for fastest pitch ever on September 24, 2010, when he threw a 105.1-mph fastball against the San Diego Padres. I have some info that I can share with you. Division 2: 58 MPH or faster. organization although he never reached the majors. . He is sometimes referred to as the fastest pitcher in baseball history and had a fastball that probably exceeded 100 mph. check out the. Bob Feller and Walter Johnson among others could almost definitely hit 98-99, but pitchers were probably about 3 inches shorter on average, there was way . Do you have a sports website? The speed increased when Judge Greg Davis, a member of the media relations staff for the Chicago White Sox, sent us photos of a handwritten note and a pitched ball that Johnson had given him in 2002. [2] In 1956, Score improved on his rookie campaign, going 209 with a 2.53 ERA and 263 strikeouts, while reducing the number of walks from 154 to 129, and allowed only 5.85 hits/9 innings, which would stand as a franchise record until it was broken by Luis Tiant's 5.30 in 1968.". Atley Donald and Van Lingle Mungo were early hard-throwers that were actually measured. We'll never know since there are no accurate radar records until ~50 years ago, but probably about 5 MPH less than they do now. Paul Blair, who batted against Ryan, Sandy Koufax, Sam McDowell, Vida Blue, Dick Radatz, and Goose Gossage, said of Dalkowski, He threw the hardest I ever saw.A near-identical statement came from Cal Ripken Sr., who caught for Dalkowski and whose professional career as a player, manager, and coach spanned five decades. WWII sure screwed it up somebut made the stats more interesting! The average change-up speed for this age group is about 10 mph slower, making the velocity between 30-40 mph. 30 years and up is when pitching velocity takes a sharp decline. He's got a nearly flawless delivery. The late, unbelievably great J.R. Richard, whose career ended after a 1980 stroke. Thing is.I've never seen it played or televised in the USAI know it is similar to baseball in some ways, but that is all I know! An unlikely rumor is that he was able to throw at speeds of 125 miles per hour. This page was generated at 05:58 AM. Throwing that hard at that age is ridiculous. Because 1) they weren't asked to max out, and 2) everyone in every sport is stronger and faster, more dynamic today than yesterday; why would pitchers be any different? Randall David "Randy" Johnson (born September 10, 1963), nicknamed "The Big Unit," stood at 6'10". In 2008, Jennie Finch set the world record for the fastest softball pitch with a speed of 70 miles per hour. They were capable of launching pitches that batters never saw and only heard after it was too late. A pitcher throwing 75 mph is well above average for this age, and their fastball is at a high school caliber. He consistently led the league in strikeouts (a then record 382 in 1965), He did have a devastating curve but I think he also threw at least as fast as anyone else in the 1960's. According to measurements -- taken by eFastball's editor using a radar gun -- of pitches as they left the pitchers' hands, college and pro players' fastballs were typically thrown at an initial speed of 80 to 95 mph. McGraw PHI. What is the fastest a human has thrown a baseball? The average speed at this age is 46 - 54 MPH. How fast do you have to throw a curveball. The Big Unit threw a no-hitter early in his career. I thought that even the top power pitchers of the 1920s and '30s -- again, before Feller -- topped out around 90 miles an hour. On July 14, 1980, he would pitch his final major league game. I thought the story of Dalkoswki was very poignant - to have that kind of heat and talent and never make it to the show! "In 1955, Score came up to the Major Leagues (with Colavito) as a rookie with the Cleveland Indians at the age of 21. It takes immense athletic skill and determination to make it into the major leagues, but some people have skills that seem superhuman, and the ability to throw a ball at 100 mph is certainly an impressive one. I'll have to check a Wiki for Herb Score. But The Babe's stats show he could certainly compete well were he playing in today's era. Its hard to believe but he did, asserted Earl Weaver, who watched Nolan Ryan pitch dozens of times, and managed Dalkowski. Does Camera Blur Equal Increased Bat Speed? He was placed on the 21-day disabled list. between 50-60 mph. He set a new record for strikeouts in a game with 18. The first batter was Brock Holt. Great to know the human prowess and crossing the barriers. I was fortunate enough to grow up in Burbank, CA and was 9 years old when the Dodgers moved to LA. Answer: An outstanding intimidating reliever and those thick glasses of his surely had a psychological impact on the scared batters. I get so sick and tired of professional trolls like MRS. Wagner, Kevin Kelly (yeah, it was his SLIDER, bub, like you say! What was a 105 mph fastball can now be said (with rounding) to be the first recorded 106 mph pitch in MLB history. . If you haven't seen it there is an excellent documentary on Netflix called "Fastball." For this age group, the average changeup is between 50-60 mph. But nowadays helmets are always worn too. In 2007, Justin Verlander pitched a no-hitter and finished the season with 18 wins, winning the American League rookie of the year award. His 105.1 mph fastball was the first time the 105 mph barrier had been broken. His 105.1 mph fastball breached the 105 mph mark for the first time. But the truth is that nobody really knew before the technology was there, to measure accurately. Some much fascinating history. 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